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I've been fascinated by the recent discussions of whether AO3 should allow original fic to be archived. And I'm very impressed by the tone of the discussion, which seems in the main serious, intelligent, and non-dogmatic.

I'm in favor of allowing original fic for multiple reasons, many of which others have discussed eloquently. But my personal motive for wanting to post original fic is one I haven't seen much discussed: wanting to write fic that is broadly allusive. Today's copyright law is, in my opinion, insane in its rigidity. I'll give you a case in point from a story I actually really published in the old-fashioned, "professionally" acceptable and legal way. It's called "God of Lemons" and features a girl and some historical figures getting trapped in the afterlife. This story was written right around the 25th anniversary of John Lennon's death, so I wanted it to include a Lennon tribute. The way this fit was to end the story on the symbolic resonance of noting that "all you need is love." Except "All you need is love" is a line from a Beatles song, and therefore, I am not allowed to quote it without obtaining copyright permission and paying royalties. In practice, this means that, if you include this kind of quote, no publisher will look at you if you're not already famous because they don't want to do this/pay this on your behalf. I don't blame them. So I sent in my story with some half-assed line about how love is very important or something. It really undercut the power of the ending. To what purpose? The purpose of not having as strong a tribute to Lennon and the Beatles as I would have if I had violated their copyright.

So... I have spent almost all of my original writing career studiously avoiding references (and certainly quotes) from any copyrighted material, knowing that if I don't I sacrifice any realistic chance of getting conventionally published and, even if I self-published, could conceivably be hounded for copyright violation. Any story that exists within modern culture is damaged by this limitation. Imagine teenage science fiction fans who never reference Star Wars. And wouldn't Hitchhiker's Guide be lessened without the "How many roads must a man walk down? 42"? (Yes, they did have to obtain copyright permission to use that one line from Dylan.)

I am sick of it. And so I am currently working on an original story in which I am being broadly, unabashedly allusive. Quotes are flying everywhere: I have Babylon 5, Dune, an old Star Trek novel.... And you know, they improve the story. I accept that I will never be able to profit from this story. That's okay; it's a story for which I sacrifice the possibility of making money to the joy of creating free art ("free" in the sense of "liberty" not "$0"). But I'm still in dubious copyright territory, and the most reasonable defense I can think of for allowing me to circulate this story to the public is that it is a fan work and should be protected under the same protections AO3 claims for fan works in general. That makes AO3 the perfect venue for archiving it, and I think archiving such works absolutely fits their mission.

Date: 2010-04-21 07:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nic
Oh, interesting! I'm generally on the side of "keep AO3 for fannish works only", but the examples you cited are very valid of non-fannish-but-need-a-home.

Thanks for providing another POV.

here via metafandom

Date: 2010-04-21 09:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firefly99.livejournal.com
I agree. I was sort of loosely on the side of 'AO3 should stick to fanfic', but this post has made me change my mind.

Date: 2010-04-21 05:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] katta
This is very interesting, and a good point! I remember children's book author Pija Lindenbaum lamenting that she'd run into problems with her Kenta och barbisarna, because the protagonist was playing with a Barbie doll and that COULD NOT BE ALLOWED in the English translation. Which is ridiculous, because no one in their right mind would think the book was licenced Mattel material.

Having to avoid "all you need is love" is, of course, even more ridiculous.

At least I can be grateful that if I ever write any original fic, it'll most likely stay untranslated and I thus only have to follow my own country's slightly less insane copyright rules. But of course that doesn't mean I shouldn't support AO3's efforts to give other people the same rights.

Date: 2010-04-21 06:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] eggcrack
I was feeling conflicted about this issue before, but you convinced me to pick a side. In other words, an excellent point!

Date: 2010-04-22 03:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] xparrot
(from meta-fandom) - Holy shit, I didn't realize that single lines of lyrics were verboten. It doesn't surprise me, it's just. Damn. Current copyright law is so, so messed. >.>

(Out of curiosity, asking as a hoping-to-go-pro author, if you had a char say "All you need is love" and not give any hint that it's intended to be a Beatles reference, but simply a phrase on its own - could you get away with it? Or better not to risk it?)

Date: 2010-04-22 06:15 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] msilverstar
I think this is taking copyright fear too far. IANAL, but from what I've read at EFF and the OTW and in various journals, the fair use provisions of the US copyright law clearly allows for that kind of reference. No one can own a few words, it has to be a lot more copied than that. Even a trademark can be used in text: the protection is against someone else using the same words in the same order for advertising and competition.

Honestly, go read the things that major publishers include in novels that have been vetted by lots of lawyers. No one is going to sue you for including the phrase "All you need is love".

And look at http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html "Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases."

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered fair, such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:

1. The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
2. The nature of the copyrighted work
3. The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
4. The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work

The distinction between fair use and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission.

Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.

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